Is SSIS still relevant? Part 2

In this episode we finish up our conversation with Jason and Cathrine and talk about how they keep up with all the changes in data conversions.  The advent of Azure services is great, but can be tricky to navigate.  We also get to hear Jason’s answers to the SQL Family questions.

Episode Quotes

“It’s kind of like the Mike Tyson quote, ‘everybody has a plan until they get punched in the face.’ I think that’s really relevant to the data engineer, because we get punched a lot.”

“The world is changing, and the tools are changing, and you really need to make sure that you understand what problem you’re trying to solve before diving into any of these technologies.”

Listen to Learn

00:40     Intro
01:18     Compañero Shout-Outs
01:42     SQL Trail
02:32     The architectural framework, the Agile approach
07:16     Cathrine & Jason’s training strategies – how did they learn this?
11:47     Know the problem before choosing a tool, fight for quality, but be flexible – find, learn and use the right tools
14:48     Prognostications on the future of the ETL/ELT world in the Microsoft Stack
17:39     SQL Family Questions – Jason
24:02     Closing Thoughts

Our Guests

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Jason Horner

Jason Horner is a Microsoft Certified Master of SQL Server and has worked with it for more than 10 years. He began work as a DBA/Application Developer in 1999. He made the transition to delivering BI solutions in 2002 and began working with spatial data in 2008. Jason’s latest focus has been architecting large-scale spatially enabled BI solutions.

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Cathrine Wilhelmsen

Cathrine loves teaching and sharing knowledge. She is based in Norway and works as a consultant, focusing on Business Intelligence and Data Warehouse projects. Her core skills are ETL, SSIS, Biml and T-SQL development, but she enjoys everything from programming to data visualization. Outside of work she’s active in the SQL Server community as a Microsoft Data Platform MVP, BimlHero Certified Expert, author, speaker, blogger, organizer and chronic volunteer.

Cathrine’s blog:

Meet the Hosts

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Carlos Chacon

With more than 10 years of working with SQL Server, Carlos helps businesses ensure their SQL Server environments meet their users’ expectations. He can provide insights on performance, migrations, and disaster recovery. He is also active in the SQL Server community and regularly speaks at user group meetings and conferences. He helps support the free database monitoring tool found at and provides training through SQL Trail events.

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Eugene Meidinger

Eugene works as an independent BI consultant and Pluralsight author, specializing in Power BI and the Azure Data Platform. He has been working with data for over 8 years and speaks regularly at user groups and conferences. He also helps run the GroupBy online conference.

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Kevin Feasel

Kevin is a Microsoft Data Platform MVP and proprietor of Catallaxy Services, LLC, where he specializes in T-SQL development, machine learning, and pulling rabbits out of hats on demand. He is the lead contributor to Curated SQL, president of the Triangle Area SQL Server Users Group, and author of the books PolyBase Revealed (Apress, 2020) and Finding Ghosts in Your Data: Anomaly Detection Techniques with Examples in Python (Apress, 2022). A resident of Durham, North Carolina, he can be found cycling the trails along the triangle whenever the weather's nice enough.

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